Mel Gibson's foul mouth

[faithofjob777]

I wrote a post, but then decided it is not worth thinking or talking about.   

Jaime

[Rberman]

Alcohol can be abused.

[faithofjob777]

Do you think that alcohol can actually be God's way showing us how we tend to be without restraint?  I know the answer is yes; but does this mean that who we really are, and what we really think, can actually be revealed if we are made drunk?  I ask this, because Mel Gibson made racist comments, which he would would not have said in public, or if he wasn't drunk. With those comments, was that the REAL Mel Gibson the racist thinking out loud?

I am not suggesting using alcohol as some kind of truth-telling drug, because not only what is repressed comes out when one is drunk, but also jumbled-up reasoning and improper judgment.  So it may have been the real Mel at some parts of his rant, but there can also be some that wasn't him but his alcohol-fried mind causing his angry confusion.

I think this also goes to show the power of something greater than physical forces at work within us.  Even though alcohol can take away much restraint we would want on our otherwise irresponsible behavior, what does restrain us is our human will.  This is a product of being human made in the image of God, and it is this image that is greater than alcohol or anything else physical influencing how we become.  

Of course all this is elementary Christian knowledge.  I guess I am just fascinated how we are who we are when we are drunk, and yet we are not.  What matters after all is how we should be as children of God, filled with His power doing its work within us.

Ephesians 5:15-21  See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Jaime

[Matt]

Do you think that alcohol can actually be God's way showing us how we tend to be without restraint?

Yes. I can't imagine there wasn't that sort of stuff sitting there and lurking waiting to come out. While sober, he can filter stuff out so it does get made public. While drunk, you don't have that filter as much, if at all. The fact that he was recorded numerous times means he was either known to get drunk and say stuff like that, or was saying it within his private life so his wife knew it would come out eventually. Regardless, there's far too much of a pattern of it be blamed merely on alcohol.

[walkthehawk]

For what it's worth, Mel Gibson was drunk when he said what he said, but good 'ol Mr. Stone was a sober as could be when he made his outrageous comments. It's pretty obvious though which one of the two will get a pass and which one won't.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38418520/ns/today-entertainment/

[FenderPriest]

Don't know if anybody here listens to the Adam Carolla podcast, but he's had some interesting and funny things to say about all of this stuff the last couple weeks.

[faithofjob777]

For what it's worth, Mel Gibson was drunk when he said what he said, but good 'ol Mr. Stone was a sober as could be when he made his outrageous comments. It's pretty obvious though which one of the two will get a pass and which one won't.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38418520/ns/today-entertainment/

I read the article.  I am not sure about the Jews.  They were definitely tortured and they suffered gross injustice, but the impact of the truth about human depravity has changed my own attitude about their situation.  They were not angelic at any point in time either.  This dampened by own feeling of empathy for their plight, depicted in the movie "Schindler's List".  My sorrow was not that they were unjustly treated; that was a smaller portion, compared to the greater sadness I have for the wickedness that the Jews shared with other races in this world. 

With this in mind, I watched "Schindler's List" feeling sad for the children, while wondering what great evils the Jews also did before they were oppressed by the Nazis.  They ceased to be pure victims in my eyes, but guilty men who are being punished by God for their own sins, and great unbelief towards their own Messiah. 

I still despised the Nazis as I watched the movie; but all I see are men, Jew and Gentile, guilty in the eyes of God, and are being justly crushed by Him.  So I do acknowledge Hitler's heinous position as God's appointed monster on a leash, destroying whom he can.  I also lay blame on Roman Catholics, the pope, and the many Protestants who did much of nothing to stop the evil upon the Jews.  But I believe I am also bound by Scripture to also accuse the self-righteous Jews for their own evils; this is another important reason for their woes throughout history.

Jaime

[Threshing Flora]

Oliver Stone’s comments about Hitler were outrageous but it is curious that for all the death and despair that an ideology has brought, any time someone mentions the tens of millions of souls lost under Stalin or any other 20th century totalitarian dictator not named Hitler, an accusation of anti-semitism usually follows.  As if to talk about one is to deny the other. It seems like an attempt to change the subject lest too many people realize that same destructive ideology still enjoys a warm reception among the ruling class in academia, media and government.