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« on: March 09, 2010, 04:52:47 PM » |
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So I have to write a 20 page white paper for my legal history class. The general premise of the book is how I would set up a new christian republic and more precisely how does the bible and the law intersect. I'm looking for any book recs you folks might have for me.
I'm already reading:
Berman, Harold J. Law and Revolution: The Formation of the Western Legal Tradition. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1983. (ISBN: 0-674-51776-8)
Berman, Harold J.. Law and Revolution II: The Impact of the Protestant Reformations on the Western Legal Tradition. Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press, 2003. (ISBN: 0-674-02230-0)
Hall, David W. Savior or Servant?: Putting Government in Its Place. Oak Ridge, TN: The Kuyper Institute, 1996. (ISBN: 0-9650367-0-7)
Witte, John, Jr. The Reformation of Rights: Law, Religion, and Human Rights in Early Modern Calvinism. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2007. (ISBN: 978-0-521-52161-1)
Bahnsen. By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Today
As of yet I haven't formed any hard and fast views of theonomy and would like to write a well rounded paper.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 06:12:16 PM » |
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By the way I'll probably also use Written on the Heart: The Case for Natural Law by j. budziszewski.
I remember there being some opposition to natural law theory back in the good ol days. If folks could point me towards authors who propagate an alternative to natural law theory I would appreciate it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 07:10:19 PM » |
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« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 10:47:53 PM by CubsIn07 »
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 12:39:35 AM » |
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Theonomy was so 1990's. Yes, because as anyone who has studied the philosophy and history of law can tell us, the idea that civil law be based on the revealed law found in Scripture is an idea that was pretty much relegated to the time when people were asking, “Are those Bugle Boy jeans you're wearing?". |
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 12:41:12 AM » |
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Hi Westmin, if you happen to see this - - have you read Herman Dooyewerd’s the Christian Idea of the State? Would you recommend it?
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 06:09:38 AM » |
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Carson's Christ and Culture Revisited and the God and Politics that Cubs linked to are some pretty useful surveys of the subject that you could use to get sources from the bibliographies and footnotes. You're going to need to look at Kuyper (you might be able to get enough from [Lectures on Calvinism[/i]. David Hall has a book in the Calvin 500 series on Calvin's view of state and government. The opening section has a real quick survey of the first generation protestant Reformers that's pretty useful. Book 4 of the Institutes has the sections on government. I also think that the Southern Presbyterians can be very interesting on this topic. The cheapest option is Robert Lewis Dabney's The Practical Philosophy. It was written late in life and so has some of his more mature and settled views. If you can get his collected writings through your library I can send you a bibliography of the articles and essays that you'd want to take a look at. He has an article called "The Sabbath and the State" that I think is in Volume 2 that would probably be incredibly useful for what you're writing. I think I have a similar bibliography from James Henley Thornwell's collected writings too. Two new books that would probably be pretty helpful to contrast would be the one on Luther's view on the two kingdoms theory in the Studies in Reformation and Post-Reformation Thought series and then maybe Van Drunen's new book on natural law and two kingdoms (though I recommend it only as something to argue against).
Sorry this is so disjointed. I just jotted things down as they came to me.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 07:53:23 AM » |
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Theonomy was so 1990's. Yes, because as anyone who has studied the philosophy and history of law can tell us, the idea that civil law be based on the revealed law found in Scripture is an idea that was pretty much relegated to the time when people were asking, “Are those Bugle Boy jeans you're wearing?". That was funny. But if I remember correctly, Bugle Boy jeans were hot in the 80's, not the 90's. By theonomy I meant not to point out that civil law should be based on God's law since most Christians believe that already, but on how much of the OT law transfers over based on what Jesus meant when he said he fulfilled the law and the emergence of a theocratic state. I am learning a lot from theonomists, but I can't support some of their thinking related to the theocratic state. Jesus said 'I will build my church' not a theocratic state. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 08:11:47 AM » |
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By theonomy I meant not to point out that civil law should be based on God's law since most Christians believe that already
Really? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 08:15:08 AM » |
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By theonomy I meant not to point out that civil law should be based on God's law since most Christians believe that already
Really? Really. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 08:28:12 AM » |
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By theonomy I meant not to point out that civil law should be based on God's law since most Christians believe that already
Really? Really. So let me get this straight: Most Christians agree on the continuing validity of OT law as it applies to political ethics? |
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 08:40:36 AM » |
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No, but the civil and moral laws that we do agree should be enforced are based on revelation.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 08:45:41 AM » |
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No, but the civil and moral laws that we do agree should be enforced are based on revelation.
Let me humbly suggest that your clarifying statement is completely different from your original statement. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 09:09:16 AM » |
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No, but the civil and moral laws that we do agree should be enforced are based on revelation.
Let me humbly suggest that your clarifying statement is completely different from your original statement. I think you just read into it a little. I never said 'all civil law...' |
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 11:19:50 AM » |
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No, but the civil and moral laws that we do agree should be enforced are based on revelation.
Let me humbly suggest that your clarifying statement is completely different from your original statement. I think you just read into it a little. I never said 'all civil law...' Riiight. I think you're a little confused on the subject. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 11:47:33 AM » |
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May I humbly declare that I don't think I am.
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